♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ >> laura: good evening from the ronald reagan presidential library in simi valley, california. democratic women and their condemnations of convenience. that's the topic of tonight's angle. ♪ ♪ >> laura: new york senator kirsten gillibrand now says that bill clinton should have resigned over that lewenski scandal back in 1998. >> is it your view that president clinton should have stepped down at that time given the allegations? >> yes. i think that is the appropriate response. but, i think things have changed today. and i think under those

circumstances there should be a very different reaction. >> laura: let's face it, the reason kirsten gillibrand has suddenly found sense is that she is positioning herself for a 2020 presidential bid. she wants to run for higher office. and it's interesting by the way how she mentioned lewenski but conveniently forgot about all the other women who accused bill clinton. juanita broderick, juanita jones, kathleen willey and yes, there were many others. when jill brand was running for office in 2006, whom did she call to help her raise money? bill clinton, of course. and she, like many democratic women before her, had no problem at all turning a deaf ear to the complaints of sexual harassment that had dogged clinton for decades. and you know why? because, let's face it, he was an uber fundraiser. he was fantastic at it. but, with sex pigs now being called to account for their misdeeds in the wake of the

weinstein scandal, well, democrats have suddenly discovered a moral conscience. and now they even see their former heroes with new eyes. bill clinton wasn't a degenerate when he appeared at every democratic convention since he left office. and i guess he wasn't a bad degenerate sexual harasser when he was feted in new york at the clinton foundation gallis. he wasn't a sex pig last month when he campaigned for phil murphy in new jersey. but now that his wife has lost the presidency and bill is under new scrutiny, he is suddenly a leper to the party that enabled him for decades. sell it somewhere else. none of us believe it the truth is you have to question how seriously these democratic women take sexual harassment. these are some of the same women who held a pep rally for bill clinton in 1998 after his impeachment. i love that photo. al mount alimp pus of female

democrats were in attendance. feinstein, pelosi, boxer, mccull ski, all of them standing and clapping like a bunch of seals for bill clinton. the only thing was the fish. now new fund courage among gillibrand and the rest is a little more than political expediency. the democratic party know what is we all know, the clinton brand is over it's damaged. the clintons have outlived their usefulness and the usefulness of the party is nil. it's safe to throw them under the bus. safe to look away. safe to say he should have been canned when he was found out about lewenski. enough with all the glowing praise of gillibrand for her brave stand and the democratic truth tellers who are now coming around to acknowledging bill's past. they were opportunists then and they are opportunists now. and that's the angle. joining us now from van buren, arkansas is juanita

broderick who accuses bill clinton of raping her in a hotel room in 1978. and from little rock, arkansas, paula jones who sued bill clinton for sexual harassment. he settled with her for $850,000. paula and yuan neat tax it is great to see both of you. i'm just delighted that both of you are here and paulla, i want to start with you. what went through your mind when you heard kirsten jill brand today and basically bre zi zinsky saying bill clinton should have resigned after the lewenski affair. >> it's a little bit too late for that now, isn't it? it makes you wonder if they really truly mean what they say because us women did not get any kind of help whatsoever from any of those liberal women. they ridiculed us. we were called all kind of names. we were not believed. and i hope that it's true that they think that now.

but i don't know that i believe it. >> laura: yuan nit tax what's happened between now and 1998 when your accusation really got a lot of attention when lisa myers bravely pushed nbc to get that on the news. what's changed except hillary is not present. she is not in the cabinet. the clinton global foundation is frankly has been exposed as a fraud that it was with the pay-to-play that was going on there. and so the clintons aren't useful anymore, so now suddenly oh, he was -- he shouldn't have done that he should have resigned. >> oh, i know. it's absolutely disgusting, laura. this great epiphany that should have occurred 20 years ago, coming about now is -- i should feel ecstatic about it but i don't. i feel very disappointed that they waited two decades to do this.

>> laura: were you surprised, juanita, that kirsten gillibrand didn't mention you? i mean, she mentioned lewenski because that was the subject of the impeachment proceeding, her relationship led to the impeachment because he lied under oath. >> right. >> laura: he didn't mention you. he didn't mention paula. he didn't mention kathleen -- she didn't mention kathleen willey. it was only monica lewenski. i wonder why. >> i think it's too dangerous to bring this back up again. they do not want to hear from us, laura, and that's the crux of the matter. they do not want our names to be brought up again. and we're being brought up by everybody else. so i can't understand why she didn't include us. >> laura: paulla, and juanita, i want you to listen to something that hillary clinton said today in an interview with our friend rita crosby on wabc. let's watch -- listen.

>> every situation has to be judged on its own merit. and there were allegations that were disproved. it's unfortunate that people are either misrepresenting or misinterpreting history. >> i'm not -- no, no, no, no. that is so ludicrous what she just said. i mean, seriously, i cannot believe that that lady would say that and nothing was misinterpreted. i know what happened to me in that room that day. and i also know that there was some lady from the "new york times" that had quoted some misgoldberg lady said she believed juanita was -- believed juanita she should believe me, too. she said that was not true about me. how would she know unless she had some kind of

relationship with him. she has been looking at his private parts? how could she say i was discredited when i was not discredited. the eighth circuit of appeals was going to take it all the way to trial and then bill clinton settled. why would it settle if had had been thrown out at lower court. people don't do that if you are not not guilty. are -- if you are not guilty. >> laura: hillary clinton's title of her book "what happened" should apply to her husband. >> we know what happened exactly. we know exactly. >> laura: yuan nit tax can you go back to that horrible encountered that you with bill clinton, especially after he pushed you and your lip got, you know, bitten, basically or hurt and what he said to you in that room? >> right. >> laura: we the sound u let's play it from your original interview. let's watch. >> the second time he tries

to kiss me. he starts biting on my lip. when everything was over with and when he got up and straightened himself and i was crying at the moment. and he walks to the door and calmly puts on his sunglasses and before he goes out the door he says "you better get some ice on that." and he turns and went out the door. >> laura: put some ice on that. >> painful to hear now. yeah. it's still, you know, it's so painful to hear it now. you know, even after all these years it's disgusting and painful. >> you know, i wants to know why hillary would not want to come to us. i'm sorry, i just want to know why hillary wouldn't want to come and talk to us women. if she believed it's not true, then why wouldn't she talk to us. talk to each one of us or talk to us together and then she can come to a conclusion herself. she never even was asked

about us women during her campaign. isn't that ironic? isn't that funny that none of this come out about her womanizing predatory husband who did these women so wrong, all of us. and it's just beyond words that nobody. >> paula, she did talk to me. >> why wouldn't she want to ask us. >> she threatened you. she could have at least have talked to us and at least found out for herself, i mean, and talk to us to see how credible we were. but she didn't want to. do you know why? she knew. she knew -- she had been enabling him for years. she has been enabling him for years. she has been hiding this stuff for him for years. if you are married to a man and you don't know that your husband is doing this, something is wrong. and you know they claim to have such a wonderful marriage and she stood by her man but, let me tell you, she knew what he was doing. and the only reason why they ever stayed together was because it was a political

marriage. >> laura: this is what philip reigns who was one of hillary's former campaign chiefs said this today. let's listen. >> there is no human being in the united states whose personal life, their infidelities were looked at more than bill clinton. his accusers were afforded the opportunity to confront him. he was afforded the ability to defend himself. >> laura: juanita, were you afforded the ability to confront bill clinton? >> oh, gosh, i think i will just laugh out loud right now. >> yes, that's hilarious, isn't it? >> it's disgusting. no human being was protected more than bill clinton was. they built this wall around him. >> absolutely. >> and no human being was more harassed and ridiculed

and trashed as bill clinton's victims were. i did get get a time to speak. but it was only because i had lisa myers. she was one of the very few who believed in me and just stayed on that story until we got it through. and i commend her for that. >> laura: forced to air it nbc did not want to air that report. paulla, i will let you close this out, paulla, msnbc and jill brand and others who are now these late hits against bill clinton. do you think there might be any credibility to what they are saying? they now see the horror of sexual harassment and sexual assaults or is this all politics? >> it's probably politics. i mean, i would imagine that it probably was. i just wish that these people would mention our names, you know, when they

are. >> laura: you are real people. >> yeah. we are absolutely real people. what gets me, too. they only mention monica lewenski. she was consensual person was that doing stuff to bill clinton under the oval office desk. we were not. there is a different, different take on that. so,. >> laura: do either of you expect that kirsten gillibrand might call to you talk to you and do you expect a call from her? >> oh, surely not. i'm sure. >> do you really think that's possible now? no. i absolutely do not. >> laura: hey, ladies, ladies, she is posed to be the be all and end all of sexual harassment on capitol hill given the historic nature of the bill clinton assaults on women. she should call you up and she should apologize on all of those so-called feminists. >> i agree. >> laura: who covered for clinton all those years. >> absolutely. >> laura: thank you for joining us tonight. i know it was really a pleasure to see both of you and we really appreciate

your voice. thank you so much. >> thank you. >> nice to be here. >> laura: you are welcome. and when we come back, might the clinton spell finally be breaking for the democratic party? well, and what about the bushes? stay tuned. ♪

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♪ ♪ >> laura: clinton world and their enemies within the democratic party are engaged in kind of a "family feud" about whether or not they should relitigate bill clinton's past. this is what josh barrow of business insider titled his piece today. the clintons held the democratic party hostage for two decades going on to write inside the core problem is that the democrats decided the clintons were their people and then reasoned backward to their principles. so i have a question. is it fair to argue that the g.o.p. treated the bushes the same way? and that president trump has wrestled the party back to its reagan roots? joining us now from washington is ronald reagan biographer extraordinaire craig shirley and from austin, texas, mark upgrove,

he is the author of the new book, the last republicans inside the extraordinary relationship between george h.w. bush and george w. bush. it's great to see both of you. >> thank you. >> laura: let's start with you, craig, on this question of the legacy of the bushes and the -- obviously the bushes didn't have their sexual scandals other than, i guess, the groping from the wheelchair rumor that we're hearing now. but they didn't have their sexual scandals but nevertheless there is clearly a break that has happened for the most part from the bushes to the current republican party. talk about that. >> the bushes were always, laura, an aberration to some degree. look, george h.w. bush was only president because he was ronald reagan's vice president for two terms. and in fact a "new york times" poll in 1988 after he beat michael dukakis said a majority of americans voted for him because they saw him as a continuation of the reagan legacy. obviously he didn't continue that and he pursued

basically big government republicanism as did his son george w. bush. so, they are both aberrations from the degree of the republican party, the parties has always traditionally been at least in the modern area for less government, more freedom, you know, federalism, all those issues that animate republican centered on the personal freedom dignity and right. so it was kind of a natural exorcism that had to happen because they both ended up perceived as failed presidencies. >> laura: and, mark, george w. bush, whom i like very much personally, he left office with an abysmal approval rating. it was in the mid 20's by most accounts. the nation had turned against pretty much both wars in the middle east. we had the mass economic collapse. he tried to push through immigration, amnesty that went down in flames. harriet miers the supreme court had to pull that back. we lost the house, the

senate and the presidency to barack h. obama. in your you make this argument that the bushes are the real republicans, they are worried that trump will be the last republican because he is not really republican. i find that analysis curious given the carnage post bush to the republican party. >> well, i want to make clear that when i called them the last republicans that's really a type of establishment republicanism that the republican electorate clearly rejected in the 2016 campaign cycle, to the surprise of everybody. i think to a large extent the republican party wanted to protect the establishment in the beginning of the cycle. they resisted the candidacy of donald trump. he won the nomination fair and square. and went on to win the presidency. so there is no disputing that. but it is the end of a kind of republicanism where america was more engaged in the world.

>> laura: hold on a second. the president just came back from this 12-day trip to asia. he was in the philippines, vietnam, korea a china, at the apec summit. he went to europe, talked to nato. he went to -- talked to all the muslim leaders. he went to jerusalem. he went to meet the pope. i mean, he has been around. and he wants to engage with the rest of the world odoesn't want us to be involved in endless wars which helped elect barack obama. the idea he is some isolationist, that's ridiculous. that is a bush line is he isolationist, is he a protectionist, is he a nativist. those old trops aren't working anymore, mark. the more people hear them the more they start laughing when they hear them. >> when you look at the trump agenda, it was largely transactional. it was what deal can we get that's the best deal for america. different kind of agenda. humanitarian agenda. human rights.

>> laura: yeah globalist agenda. open borders, open markets, yeah. >> sure. that's the term that's used. again, that's a very different kind of republicanism. >> laura: well, yeah, it's focusing on america first. i want to play a sound bite from 1979. this is 1981 actually from ronald reagan for both of you and have you quickly react. let's watch. >> it is my intention to cush the size and influence of the federal establishment and to demand recognition of the distinction between the powers granted to the federal government and those reserved to the states or to the people. [applause] all of us need to be reminded that the federal government did not create the states. the states created the federal government.

>> laura: craig, i watched that from 181 inaugural and i stood at the president's grave tonight, said a prayer for him and nancy and thanked him for what he did for this country. i watched that and i wonder what would he think today about the state of the republican party and the state of this country? >> well, he was always a party man once he switched parties. he supported republicans even those he didn't always agree with. but, you know, that sound bite reminds me of how reagan was such a devot dee dee voteee of the constitution. enlightenment the man was more important than the state. and that statement about the state's creating the federal government, that's right out of the federalist papers. it's right out of madison which he avidly read. hes would an american conservative. power flowed upward from the people to the national government. as opposed to a british conservative who believes that power flows down from

the institutions to the individual. he was very centered on rights and dignity and privacy of the american individual. >> laura: hey, mark, do you think ronald reagan was tweet if he was alive during twitter, do you think he would tweet. >> yes, he would. >> no, i don't. >> i disagree. >> may i jump in here. >> i will make my point. >> go ahead, mark. >> reagan was about civility. when he went to washington. he campaigned against a big government. government actually got bigger during the reagan administration. there were three platforms he campaigned on. one was ending the cold war by a clear american victory, which he achieved largely or helped to achieve. he wanted to end big government. government got big early and he wanted to restore the american pride in the nation. >> laura: mark, we are out of time. we are out of time. he would have tweeted, craig, why? that was the people's medium. people's medium. >> because he loved technology. he mastered commercial radio

in the 1930s. he mastered movies in the 40's. he mastered television in the 50's and 60's. he lofd technology. he loved the ability to communicate his message. >> laura: absolutely. >> to as wide as audience as possible. reagan was alive today he would be using facebook and twitter. >> laura: maybe it wouldn't be just like trump's tweets. >> no, it wouldn't be. >> laura: it would be. he would tweet and we would all love the tweets. let's face it great to have you both on. thank you so much. i wish you were here at the library with me though. directly ahead, what should the republican party learn from the al franken groping scandal? guess what? a rise in wholelessnessed in the golden state. we will tell you why right after this. i'll never find a safe used car. start at the new carfax.com show me minivans with no reported accidents. boom. love it. [struggles]

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al franken vs. roy moore. a debate drawn committee tear from all corners it shouldn't surprise anyone that it drew the attention of hillary clinton. will that book tour ever end? anyway, she had this to say to rita crosby earlier today. >> clearly he doesn't appear to be someone who will bring respect and honor to the state of alabama. look at the contrast between al franken accepting responsibility, apologizing and roy moore and donald trump who have done neither. >> laura: respect from hillary clinton. joining us now from from washington for reaction torrence editor of "the weekly standard" and ed rollins a republican strategist who spent a little bit of time over my shoulder on air force one who managed ronald reagan's 1984 campaign. i wish you were here. kelly, i wish you were here.

it's so beautiful. i hopped into air force one. come on, rollins, how many cigars did he smoke in that air force one back there. >> i rode on that plane every place he went domestically for five years. that and the helicopter bring back a lot of memories. >> laura: oh my goodness. let's start with you kelly on this hillary clinton coming out and talking about disgracing the office of the senate and now she comes out and she says that well, bill clinton's accusers, i guess, everybody had a chance to confront the accusers. i mean, this stuff is crazy at this point. >> it's hard not to laugh, laura, isn't it? this is a serious matter. in a way it's not a laughing matter. when i hear people talking about disgracing the senate, i think of ted kennedy. i mean, this is the guy that basically killed a woman and they are talking about disgracing the senate? it's really kind of incredible. isn't it, that now they are

worried abou disgracing the senate. >> laura: ed, the new found moral conscience when it comes to bill clinton. i mean, it's so transparent, yet, literally words like hero and courageous are being used to describe kirsten gillibrand today for saying that bill clinton should have stepped aside. brezenski called bill clinton a predator. how many times has bill clinton been on morning joe. >> nobody raised the issues of the two women on before. the bottom line is hillary clinton went on "60 minutes" and talked about jeffer flowers. called her a liar. told her totally untrue. an affair went on 12 years which he later admitted. it didn't stop. the truth of the matter whatever may have happened in somebody's life, hopefully by the time they get into public life they change and they hold higher standard. there is no charges that roy moore has ever done anything

over the last 35 years when he has been happily married, raised kids and been a very significant leader and obviously the people of that state have an opportunity to pick someone who will represent their viewpoints. bill clinton hid the whole time and never stopped mismisbehaving. monica lewenski was late in his term. he had always been a womanizer and he continued to be a womanizer immediately after became president. the difference between a ronald reagan who always held the office in the highest esteem and always basically felt the country was so important had to be a model for the country and was to a certain extent there is no comparison whatsoever. >> laura: kelly, let's move on to roy moore the republican party in alabama are still sticking by him. a lot of the establishment leaders and others ted cruz and mike lee say he should step aside. he is slipping in the polls. any predictions here? >> this is a tough one, laura. i really think there is not really a lot the g.o.p. can do. the only thing they are suggesting is a write-in campaign for someone like

say luther strange. people are even talking about jeff sessions. it's clear that that will hand doug jones the victory. and it's a tough situation. of course, i'm sure roy moore wished these allegations had come out sooner, but they are coming out now. there is not a lot, i think, the g.o.p. can do. i kind of wonder ed made a great point, these allegations almost all are from about 40 years ago. what if he had come out and said hey i did this stuff 40 years ago, it was wrong. since then i have gotten married, i'm a religious man and i no longer act that way. what would people be saying then if he had come out and basically apoll devised? i think it would be a lot different. >> laura: that's an interesting point. ed, finally, last word for you. what about this? donald trump hasn't really said anything about roy moore but he slammed al franken. should he say anything about roy moore. >> no. i think he moves on. the governor today put it very appropriately. she believes the women -- not disbelieve the women she

basically said roy moore is going to be the one that's going to be good for the state. if he gets there he will go there and vote tore supreme court justice. federal judges he will be a pro-life candidate which is important in evangelical state and he will represent the values of the state much better than certainly bill clinton's u.s. attorney. >> laura: ed and kelly thank you so much. great to see both of you. >> thank you. >> laura: up next, the homelessness epidemic is overwhelming many cities including right here in california. are democratic policies to blame? a special report moments a special report moments away. there was an old woman who lived in a shoe. she had so many children she had to buy lots of groceries. while she was shopping for organic fruits and veggies, burglars broke into her shoe. they stole her kids' mountain bikes and tablets along with her new juice press. luckily the geico insurance agency had helped her with homeowners insurance. she got full replacement on the stolen goods

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government mandates. the mandatory $15 minimum wage is hurting low income workers because more retailers are now moving to automation to save the money. and we have seen a major squeeze on california's middle class as the number of working poor is growing. california's public pension systems are about $200 billion in the red. oh, and while homelessness nationwide is declining, it's up here by 3%. by the way, sheltering and caring for the homeless cost taxpayers an estimated $80,000 per person per year. in fact, it's so bad that some of the major cities like san francisco, sacramento, and right here in the los angeles area now have what they call permanent tent cities or encampments. it's all the homeless. like this one that popped up not far from some of the wealthiest zip codes in the country. ♪ ♪

♪ ♪ >> do you think the problem of homelessness has gotten worse over the last five years in los angeles? >> yeah. it's worse. it's getting worse. there is so much people out of a home. >> this is growing and growing. different spots. not just here. this is one of the bigger ones and then skid row. but there is little spots all the freeway entrances. >> do you think that the city government here cares? >> i don't think so. i don't think so. i think they would rather make us disappear than to be near that building over there, which is city hall. >> the city government in los angeles is all democrats. they haven't done anything. do you think it's time for a change. >> yeah. it's sad because i'm also a democrat, too. i'm also a democrat and i'm

shameful of these people that he they're treating us like this. >>contact a lot of the senators about the situation down here and all they say is we'll get back with you. as a fellow democrat, i think they need to really look at what's going on because i even told them i'm a democrat and i voted for them so why do i have to wait this long. >> city government has failed you? >> yeah. >>ened at city government is rupp by which party? >> the democratic party. ♪ ♪ >> laura: amazing. it has been run by democrats. basically a super majority democratic state. this beautiful, gorgeous, amazing place has been brutalized by decades of liberal policies. of course, the sanctuary status, high taxation crippling environmental regulations. liberalism has ruined a once

ideal lick. there is exodus out of california. while the population continues to reelect wave after wave of liberal leaders that only compound the state's crisis. joining us now with reaction from los angeles is shirley husar who is the ceo of urban game changers an urban community activist group along with clay cane, a democratic activist. clay and shirley, great to see both of you. clay, let's start with you, why is this working, democratic policies in los angeles? just focus on l.a. for a moment. we won't go up to the problems in san francisco. but you heard from the homeless people in that piece that it's gotten worse under democrat leadership. they are living in the tents. >> well, laura, listen. i have been homeless. i was homeless as a teenager. so this is a very personal story to me. but i think it really minimizes the story to just look at just democrats. when you look back at this,

this goes back to the early 1980s, it's a very complicated issue. have you drug addiction that was never dealt with to say that oh, this is just a democratic issue would be like blaming a state like mississippi which is the poorest state in the republican or republicans because it's a red state. i think it's minimizes the true horror people go through who are homeless. i can relate to this. >> laura: shirley, the issue of illegal immigration which we didn't delve into in this place from the time i have walked those same tents there are illegal immigrants who are homeless as well. they come here, they try to get jobs sometimes. they can't find jobs. and they don't have any sponsors or families to live with and so they live among the homeless. that is also a big problem for the state of california. and you have spent enormous amount of time in these permanent encampments. >> yes. absolutely. i will tell you, laura, the

infrastructure is being destroyed. they have personally instructed the police officers not to enforce law, to allow the illegal immigrants to do so much to cause so much damage and the homelessness. we have money in this state. you are talking about this state can't compare this to mississippi. come on clay, get real. california at one point we were the fifth large e. economy in the world. we are still in the top ten. you have a state in the top ten of the economy. >> sure. >> let me say this because of the financial issues going on in this state, there is a misproposition of funds. we have hepatitis a, we have measles going on. we have laremy disease that just happened over at disneyland. san diego spent $2 million over homelessness. it is disruptive because of the illegal immigration and misproposition of movement of money within the state. democrats have failed this state and they continue to fail this state. they are destructive with

their governmental programs that fill trait within their pockets that have killed our economy. >> shirley, according to your bio, you worked for governor schwarzenegger, who put california -- who was a republican and put california in actual bankruptcy. it's not just democrats. i mean, that was somebody that you actually worked for. and there has been no documentation, no proof that anybody is homeless because of undocumented workers. i wasn't homeless because of undocumented workers. i was homeless because of rents were too high. my mother didn't have access to good healthcare. my mother didn't have access to good education. it wasn't for undocumented workers. for you to say that is to scapegoat. this you know there is no one who is homeless because of undocumented worker. >> that is ridiculous. we have -- black people in causal. >> laura: you guys, we will have you both back because this is ridiculous short

amount of time for this. i think what shirley was trying to say as long as we have a single american homeless, family homeless living on the streets, why are we bringing in more problems. >> absolutely. >> laura: i think that's what you were saying. >> we don't need. >> i totally disagree. smoke screen you know that. >> laura: waited, wait, wait. guy, guys, guys, stop. so what clay is saying that we should bring in more indigent people. >> i'm not saying that laura, and you know that. i'm saying different policies. passing a buck. >> laura: not blaming on him i'm blaming it on the government. [speaking at the same time. >> laura: guys, we are out of time. >> no infrastructure is helping. you are wrong. >> i will see you next time, shirley, i hope you liked working for governor schwarzenegger. >> i was appointee. >> laura: we will continue this. [talking at the same time] >> laura: okay. we have to cut your mikes. all right. coming up, i love you both

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comedian sarah silverman had an interesting reaction to the fall of her friend ck who is among the wave of celebrities taken down by credible misconduct claims. roll the tape. >> it's messy and it's complicated and it is gonna hurt but it's necessary. and we will all be healthier for it. and it sucks and some our heroes will be taken down and we will discover bad things about people we like or in some cases we love. >> laura: heroes? what? lewis ck a hero? admitted to inappropriately touching himself in front of women multiple times. yuck. joining me now, sorry for that introduction, raymond. best selling author raymond. i never silverman was funny. never made me laugh once. i never got her. >> we share this idea. she sounds like she should join a monument conservation movement. we don't want to tear our

heroes down. this guy was a hero? >> laura: what a perv. >> sarah silverman is also a woman. >> laura: filthy comic. >> she has contributed to a coarseness in society and level of conversation about intimate things that kids and families don't need to hear, so i'm not going to go any further. >> laura: what else do we have? >> jay-z had a "new york times" op-ed where is he arguing very upset about a friend of his, a rapper meek mill who has been -- he violated his parole, he went to jail. jay-z writes today we have got to do something about this. we need reform. he makes this startling claim. in 2015, 1/3 of the 4.65 million people on parole or probation were black. well, that means two thirds aren't black. so that's a good thing, isn't it? >> laura: wait a second. why is jay-z suddenly like a political commentator or analyst. >> jay-z is looking out for

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